I just pause my watch when not moving. I do a lot of my aerobic training with our husky. If I stop to give her water or wait for her to return from chasing a deer, for example, I just pause the recording of the workout. That way the hours recorded reflect moving time rather than elapsed time. You just have to remember to re-start!
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ParticipantMariner_9 on June 10, 2022 at 7:11 am · in reply to: Measuring training load – Moving time vs Elapsed time #68161ParticipantMariner_9 on June 9, 2022 at 3:08 pm · in reply to: Hiking – 20% BW and short vs. 5% BW and long #68146
“Also are there any downsides to doing longer duration with less weight versus shorter duration?”
Specificity? I would guess a heavier pack will affect how you move, and if you plan to carry a heavier pack for your goal event then some portion of your training should mimic that demand.
ParticipantSome ideas and comments:
– You might want to look at the “Step Test” piece on p132 of TFUA
– Scott’s comment in this thread might be relevant: https://uphillathlete.com/forums/topic/50k-to-50-mile-and-how-to-plan-around-zero-mileage-weeks/
– I think the “right” answer is going to be very specific to you. I can tell you what I did last year on a similar weekly volume (w.r.t. hours, TSS, vert and distance) but it’s not clear it would be helpful to you – or that I even did the right thing for me!ParticipantThanks, Keith. Interesting that you had to increase the weight so much from where you first started!
What pack are you using? My BD Shot Pack is maxed out at ~45 pounds and the shoulder straps are already uncomfortable with that weight.
Two observations that might be of interest to the group:
– there seems to be much more training of calf strength doing the ME workouts outdoors. No doubt due to stairs being flat whereas a steep slope means putting weight on the front of the foot
– feels safer doing ME indoors. Loose trail (rocks, branches, pine needles) with lots of partly-buried roots => easy to slipParticipantHi Jeremy,
FWIW, I’ve always followed the TFNA prescription:
– general strength in the transition period
– then a max strength period
– then reduced frequency of max strength workouts (for maintenance) during the muscular endurance period.There is a some overlap between the general and max strength workouts; quoting TFNA, “Pick two to four exercises from the General Strength Routine you were doing during the Transition Period to use for your Max Strength workouts. These should be ones that you feel need the most improvement or will be most useful in your climbing”. I picked three single leg exercises (split bench squats, lunges, step ups) and squats.
HTH and I’m not muddying the waters!
ParticipantMariner_9 on June 3, 2022 at 11:55 am · in reply to: Clarification on Fasted Training (60-120 mins) v. longer sessions #67961In addition to emilieskadi’s comprehensive response:
– fuel for muscular endurance workouts as well as for strength workouts
– from memory, I think the idea is that you can fuel for Z1/Z2 workouts if you care about your performance on those (though not obvious to me why you would or should if they’re simply training)
– for more background on timing of protein consumption, there are a couple of relevant episodes of the Science of Ultra podcast, specifically the interviews with Stuart Phillips (episode 11) and Luc van Loon (episode 42). I’ve had issues with posting external links but you can find these easily enough via your favourite search engineHTH.
Participant“please report back after two weeks”
Been a wee bit more than two weeks. Better late than never?!
The end result was that after two weeks of using the Beemer once per day, I didn’t notice any difference in my recovery or well-being. Given that, it would have been very hard to justify the cost and we didn’t buy one.
Of course two weeks might have been too little time and I didn’t try to account for confounding factors. YMMV.
ParticipantMark, I wanted to check I’m doing the ME workout correctly as I had similar concerns to Keith about HR and legs as limiting factors. Scott’s comment in his podcast on ME addressed my question about lack of DOMS.
Most recent workout:
– weighted uphill carry done outside, weight carried up and down
– 28% of body weight
– 600m elevation gain
– 26% avg gradient, max 69% (excluding the ‘walk-in’, avg gradient 32%)
– ~55mins up, 30mins down
– HR 77% in Z3 on the ascent, 3% Z4, rest roughly split Z2 and Z1Does the combination of weight, steepness and intensity look OK? I think it would be difficult for me to change the steepness or intensity but I could increase the weight – just not sure if there’s any advantage in doing so? ‘Goal day’ pack weight is ~12-15% body weight.
Thanks.
ParticipantAlex,
You asked “where to get training plans for this goal” – try https://uphillathlete.com/training-plans/#mountain-running-training
HTH.
ParticipantKeith – I recommend listening to the UA podcast on ME. Link is https://uphillathlete.com/muscular-endurance-for-mountain-athletes/
I note that Scott said the weighted carries “rarely result in severe DOMS”. This is consistent with my experience doing them outside and in a high-rise. Plenty of fatigue for 2-3 days, but no DOMS. Seems to fit with your experience, too.
ParticipantHi Josh – Scott’s comments in this thread might be relevant: https://uphillathlete.com/forums/topic/appropriate-body-fat-range-for-the-uphill-athlete/
ParticipantThanks for sharing your story, Austin – it takes courage to do so. I wish you well on your recovery. Happy trails!
Participant“Anyone else find Suunto good?”
Watch (Ambit3 Peak) is fine, HRM was useless and I ended up replacing it with the Polar H10 which has worked perfectly. Customer service is basically non-existent. YMMV but that’s been my experience. Similarly bad experience with Garmin – both product and service – albeit with a different device (InReach).
ParticipantHi jorgerobhernz,
Perhaps it might be helpful to think about this question in terms of the TSS you’re targeting rather than the mileage. I.e. target a weekly TSS after accounting for the warm-up and cool-down. My guess is the reduction in TSS will be smaller than the reduction in miles.
ParticipantIf you look at the workout (click on the workout on the Calendar page), TP should show whether it’s measuring rTSS (based on your running pace) or hrTSS (based on your HR). You should also be able to switch between the two via a dropdown next to the TSS measurement.