I could be wrong but I have always been under the impression the Alpine combine uphill test should be done as fast as you can go.
Rachel
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ParticipantRachel on November 23, 2020 at 10:59 am · in reply to: Something bugging me about the Alpine Combine box step #47212Participant
I just ordered one the other day! I’m hoping to try and get some Z2 sessions in with it. I’m thinking it should translate well to running since the motion is similar.
ParticipantRowing for ski touring is an interesting idea. I might have to try it this winter!
ParticipantI usually subtract 5% off the upper end, which would get you a lower end of 145.35. I’d say you are good with 140 but you could use a slightly lower number if it helps you stay below the threshold. I usually set an alarm a few beats lower. Btw my Aet and AnT are similar to yours. It’s gonna take me a while to raise the AeT but in the meantime I have noticed that I’m getting faster at a lower heart rate so that helps keep me motivated.
ParticipantI track my skinning and xc skiing in TP, I classify them as XC-Ski activities. I mark lift-served skiing as Other so I can delete the vert and omit it from certain reports, otherwise it looks like I climbed a lot more vert than I did. If I want Pa:HR metrics I just temporarily switch to Run, then note the numbers in the comments field and switch back to XC-ski.
I don’t climb so I can’t make a recommendation for how to categorize it but I’m sure someone here does! It seems like the Custom field could be used for that.
ParticipantPolar H10s are good. I use one with my Coros, and my husband uses his with his Garmin Fenix 5.
ParticipantRachel on November 3, 2020 at 3:15 pm · in reply to: Is the Data From My Heart Rate Drift Test Usable? #46511I would also try to limit your HR to a narrower range during your test. I looked at an hour of your workout and the HR range was quite large (it went up to 163 bpm, much higher than the average HR overall).
When I test outside I try to keep it within a 5 beat range or so. I also am a sucky runner but I did my AeT test on a track. I would jog then walk as needed to keep my HR in the zone. It was a wake up call at how bad my running is…
Normally I would use an inclined treadmill so I can walk fast but with COVID-19 that’s not an option right now. The treadmill is nice because once you are warmed up you can set your pace and you don’t have to think about HR at all until you analyze the results. But you kind of need to control one variable — HR or pace.
ParticipantWhat kind of HR strap do you use? I recently had to buy a replacement strap for my Polar H10 because it was getting weird. It would just stop reading (like I was dead) or have a spike that was out of place. The same thing happens when the battery needs replacement. You could also double check by manually feeling your pulse and compare.
ParticipantI have done my past AnT tests starting at 9200 feet, and I have asthma (well-controlled). I do find at the end of the AnT test I always have a moment where I’m worried I will have an asthma attack because I’m breathing so hard (for some reason I don’t notice as much until I am done with the torture), but after a few minutes my breathing and HR slow down and I feel ok. I have not had problems getting my HR sky high at elevation myself. (I’ve hit my highest ever HR at about 10000 feet during an AnT test).
I think the biggest limiter at these altitudes is breathing. I don’t think that ever goes away.
I would maybe try the test again — it may have been an off day or something where you just weren’t feeling great (the smoke sure wouldn’t have helped). Especially because having your AeT and AnT that close together at such a high elevation would be pretty amazing.
ParticipantJane, what route are you going to do? We’re headed there next week, my husband & I will take turns hiking down to the bottom and back out. If the east entrance was open I’d have worked out a way to do south to north rim but I have no desire to drive for over 5 hours to get back. My plan is to hike/run South Kaibab to Phantom then up Bright Angel. If I feel good I’m going to go along the Rim trail up top and make it a 50k. (we’ll see if that happens though)
My personal strategy is I have a pace plan for going down (which I know will be under my AeT), then up I was going to aim for a vertical pace goal (like x number of meters/hour) but I’ll defer to how I feel and go slower if needed. These are paces I worked out at a higher altitude (I live at 7200 feet and often have to train higher).
The thing I’ll be cautious about is not going down too fast so I don’t burn my legs out since coming back up is mandatory. And I’m not going to take many breaks myself, except to enjoy the view, fill up water, and hopefully a hot cup of coffee at the ranch. Have fun!
ParticipantI can’t run too much at AeT either, so I alternate running and walking to keep my HR in the right zone. When I started running last year I had to walk/run, my HR would shoot up way high instantly. But with time, I could continuously run downhill or on flats, slowing down as needed to keep my HR in the zone. Finally I managed to run on a gentle uphill under AeT and felt really awesome, even if it was super slow. I would have to almost run in place sometimes to get my HR back down but it worked.
This year I haven’t run as much (dealing with shin splints) so I do a lot of walk/run to keep my HR up but without as much impact. I actually kind of prefer walk/run because you can run a bit faster when you do run.
The key with walk/run is to stop running before you hit your AeT, maybe set an alarm for a couple bpm lower. For example, if my AeT is 138, I might set my alarm to 135. And then I have an alarm to start running again. Today I would start running once it hit 134. Other days I’m feeling mellower and set it for 10% below AeT.
You may also want to lower your AeT a bit since the drift was high.
ParticipantI personally would, it’s still training stress.
Participantit’s way easier if you do their Aet and AnT tests (instructions are on this site). AnT is an effort that you can sustain for 30-60 minutes (depending on your fitness, how long you’ve been training, etc.). Most of us do the 30 minute test I think. If you went hard for 80 minutes or more it was probably under your anaerobic threshhold.
ParticipantSo funny enough, your results are almost exactly the same as my first AeT test. Avg HR first half 137, avg HR second half 144. Divide 137/144 and you get 4.9% drift.
ParticipantThat doesn’t look like premium TP, are you sure you have the free trial?