What does a pace-based threshold model mean when you get off the treadmill and the track and out on the trail? Nothing.
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Rodney, I’m 42 with a very similar history of prior training, a similar experience with UA training, and similar results in the field. My AeT test results on the treadmill from two days ago are similar to yours–maintaining the speed that gives me what I think is my AeT for an hour is unpleasant even if my breathing seems to confirm my HR drift results. FWIW, these results also line up with a gas exchange test I had done earlier in the summer. Then my AeT clocked in at 159 (up from maybe 144 when I started training with ADS) and now it seems like I’ve edged up to the low 160s, with an AnT of around 180 and maxHR of 196, which seems high for my age. While these numbers still technically indicate ADS, it is greatly reduced and I’m in the best shape of my life, loving my time on the trail.
I interpret the results you describe and which I’ve experiencing in terms of the “black hole” of Zone 2 training that TftNA warned against. Maybe I’m relying more on fat metabolism at these higher heart rates, but running faster is still harder and still takes more recovery time than running slower, even if the faster speed isn’t as *much* harder as it used to be. I think I’m quickly approaching the level at which I need to back off on Z2 training to avoid excess fatigue.
ParticipantWhy would you not trust this? If you maintained 170 for an hour, and that’s the highest you’re able to maintain for that long, that’s the definition of AnT over that time period. Isn’t it?
ParticipantI’ve noticed the same thing, up into Z4 if I push much at all. I wondered if it had something to do with transitioning from a hard Z4 uphill with no breather before heading back down. Following.
ParticipantOwenFW on September 27, 2019 at 3:29 pm · in reply to: Garmin watch and sync/pairing with TP's Calendar question #29149If you have a run programmed and you do a run, they will pair automatically. If you have a swim programmed and you do a swim, they will pair automatically. The activity type is what matters. I’ve never delved into the pairing rules in any detail, since it’s so easy to pair them manually if it doesn’t work automatically. Your watch probably has many more activity types that TP.
ParticipantOwenFW on September 26, 2019 at 5:37 pm · in reply to: Garmin watch and sync/pairing with TP's Calendar question #29102If the activity type matches up, it will automatically associate the planned workout and the actual workout. If it fails to do this automatically, you can drag and drop one onto the other in the calendar view and they will be paired. You can also unpair workouts if they pair up incorrectly. The color of the paired workouts in the calendar will alert you if you did much less or much more distance than programmed, or if you miss a workout.
ParticipantI’m curious about what distances you are racing.
ParticipantOwenFW on September 7, 2019 at 9:30 am · in reply to: Best Heartrate monitor for training and using with Training Peaks and UA plans? #28051The Polar H10 HR strap is great. A HR strap and an accompanying smartphone app (Polar, Strava, Wahoo, etc) are all you really need unless you’re concerned about things like running cadence. Or you really, really want to spend several hundred dollars on a fancy watch. Don’t get me wrong, I like my Suunto Ambit3 and the Garmins look sweet, but they really aren’t necessary to track HR and location.
ParticipantHuh, that’s interesting. What about thinking in terms of ratios of time in each HR zone? Like, how much time needs to be spent (theoretically) in each lower-intensity zone for each unit of time in a higher intensity zone? E.g. If I spend ten minutes in Z4, how much time would I need to spend in Z1 for my body to recover enough for another ten minutes in Z4 if I wanted to repeat that cycle for some given number of hours? I suspect I’m asking for something no one can tell me, but with information like this for each zone, coupled with corresponding paces, it wouldn’t be hard to build an excel spreadsheet that would use an optimization function to minimize total time for a given distance. You could even incorporate the effect of HR drift on HR to pace ratios if you had past measurements for that.
This is really just a geeky tangent from the specific question I’m trying to wrap my head around, which is what (generally) I should do with my HR on my next race, which is a trail marathon with about 3.5K of vert.
ParticipantThanks, rachelp, that forum link clears it up!
ParticipantI’m still unclear on Pete’s question. Adding TSS for the uphill is obvious. Do you also add for the downhill? So like 1000 ft up and then down, unweighted, is a total of 20 TSS added? But if you ride the gondola down, you only get 10 total for that 1K of elevation gain. ???
ParticipantThank you so much for your excellent response, Scott.
I was going to follow up by asking how you shift weeks of a plan forward if an athlete needs additional rest, but then I looked closer at the calendar interface and answered my own question!
ParticipantI know this is a can of worms, but the stair only “falls away” if you are exerting pressure to hold yourself up on the stationary handles. Otherwise you can assume the stairs are stationary in terms of the physics.
ParticipantI have worn a chest strap on 12+hr alpine pushes. The hrTSS numbers can be pretty comical, along with the recovery time estimates. One time my Suunto watch told me to rest for a full week after one day climbing. Anyway, my measured, unadjusted totals for up and down seem to come out around 50 TSS for a variety of different conditions. YMMV.
ParticipantOwenFW on June 27, 2019 at 3:00 pm · in reply to: TP Run Summary Max HR Different from Raw Data? #24130Here is the response from TP tech support:
“Basically, the summary data that you see above is typically information sent directly from the device, which will occasionally show differently than what is recorded in the data of the file. The File probably has those spikes in there somewhere, which is what TP is picking up and analyzing in your 2 second peak. Smoothing out the data will have to be done manually, which can be done by following the instructions in this article:
https://help.trainingpeaks.com/hc/en-us/articles/204072284-Fix-Data”
So, essentially, my Ambit3 was doing some smoothing of the data in the summary it provided, similar to what can be accomplished visually by adjusting the slider bar on the heart rate graph in the analysis window.
Probably a good reason never to take a 2-second MAX HR too seriously. In contrast, the peak 5-second HR from the same workout does match my max HR measured in the lab.