Thanks for all the replies, everyone. Some good thoughts here. I’m still left wondering about my original question, which is whether to do only “recovery” when legs are sore from ME, or if “aerobic easy” is OK. According to Scott Johnston in the latest blog article on recovery, a 60-90 minute easy run is NOT recovery.
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doughywilson on May 7, 2022 at 3:23 pm · in reply to: What to do when recovering from ME workouts #66780doughywilson on April 29, 2022 at 2:14 pm · in reply to: What to do when recovering from ME workouts #66390
Jakedev, great thoughts. I also started doing the ME workouts at 3-4 sets rather than the 6 right off the bat. I have been able to build up to 6, so that’s good. I have also started doing recovery drinks and it seems to e helping speed up the healing.
I’m still trying to understand if I should just run on the tired legs the next day for more aerobic development, or only do recovery. I can certainly handle a 60 minute easy run the next day, but I’m not sure if that is just slowing my progress over the week.
doughywilson on April 29, 2022 at 9:03 am · in reply to: What to do when recovering from ME workouts #66378Rich, I would say it’s “normal DOMS” that lasts 48-36 hours. Good tip on the bike. I’ve tried that before, I just get so bored so I avoid it.
Mariner, I’m doing the gym-based ME workout with step ups, lunges, split squats, jump squats. Once again, the DOMS lasts 2-3 days which is pretty typical from what I understand about DOMS.
doughywilson on January 13, 2022 at 10:17 am · in reply to: Muscular Endurance workouts during backcountry ski season? #62071Thanks Scott!
doughywilson on December 22, 2020 at 12:18 pm · in reply to: Having a hard time staying aerobic on steep skin tracks #48474Thanks for the responses. I went out this morning for my third tour of the year, and this time my heart rate was a solid 10-20 beats less at a similar speed/output. Hopefully that means you’re right and that I just needed a few days to get accustomed to the new movement. I also made sure to drink enough water before to avoid dehydration, which can lead to higher than normal heart rates. I’m going to continue to monitor it.
doughywilson on March 10, 2020 at 10:30 am · in reply to: Modulation still important even if I'm recovering well? #39417Thanks for the reply Scott. I appreciate it.
doughywilson on March 4, 2020 at 11:20 am · in reply to: Training effect of weighted ME vs hill sprints #39255I found this link that is relevant to this thread: https://uphillathlete.com/strength-training-for-the-mountain-athlete/
doughywilson on March 4, 2020 at 10:35 am · in reply to: Training effect of weighted ME vs hill sprints #39249Thanks Scott. Yes, my main interest is mountain running. Where can I find information about the gym-based ME workouts? I have the TFTUA book. Is it in there or online?
The impact forces going downhill are much higher than uphill, but if you have the strap tight enough, it might be working just fine. In that case, I don’t know why you would see a higher heart rate on the downhills.
If you are at Z2 or below you are building Aerobic base. If you are fast enough to beat up your muscles at Z2 intensity, then you should consider going down to Z1 for your aerobic building so that you can maintain consistency and not risk injury. It’s often good to add some higher intensity speed work once you reach that level of fitness.
If you’re using a wrist-based heart rate monitor, it’s likely that your foot strike cadence is fooling the sensor. Wrist based sensors work by shinning a light onto your skin, and as your heart pumps, a small amount of light is reflected/absorbed based on the heart stroke. When you’re running downhill, you swing your arms much harder, and light can creep in. When that happens, it causes significant errors in the heart rate tracking and will likely show something that correlates with your fast footsteps rather than your heart rate.
This can also happen with heart rate sensor straps that go around the chest if they are not tight enough, even though they work off electrical conduction through your skin rather than light.
doughywilson on September 10, 2019 at 10:48 am · in reply to: Lower, more consistent heart rate on morning runs vs evening #28210Thanks for the comments Dada and Scott. The follow-up question is if it’s better to train during these lower-heart-rate times for the best aerobic training, or if it’s better to train when heart rate bounces around easily. I’ve noticed that I’m able to push much harder in the morning and my heart rate will not spike a lot even though I know I am exerting a bit more. But I’m not sure if that means I’m going into zone 3 and my heart rate just doesn’t reflect it, or if it means my body is more efficient in zone 2 during those times.
I’ve noticed that when I train aerobically, my appetite stays in check. I attribute that to a higher percentage of fat vs sugar burn. When you train at high intensity, glycogen/sugar stores are going to be depleted much faster than when training at low intensity where a lot of fat burn is happening. Low glycogen is likely to lead to hunger much more.
I’ve lost about 9-10 lbs since focusing on staying in Zone 1/2 for most of my runs.
Here’s an anecdote on the topic… Jim Walmsley is one of the fastest 100-mile racers on the planet, and his vertical bounces is way higher than average.
It’s not always a bad thing to have vertical oscillation because it means you get less push/pull forces on the horizontal axis. Most people don’t realize this, but if you’re not accelerating at a given moment, then there is an equal amount (horizontally) of push-back from your foot landing in front of you as your push-off from your back foot because net force (disregarding air resistance) has to be zero. Law of physics: Force = mass times acceleration, and if acceleration is zero, then net force has to be zero too. See a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SURPvW6BEKw
Those who have higher vertical oscillation have less accumulated horizontal forces, and they are also getting a longer time in the air where no forces are present on muscles at all. So it’s not always a bad thing to be in the air longer.
doughywilson on July 1, 2019 at 2:39 pm · in reply to: Aerobic Base Building – run with slight fatigue or rest up? #24307Thanks Scott.