Yes it makes sense. If you do a workout of the same duration at the same HR with a higher threshold number in the system, you’re working at a lower percentage of that threshold. According the the TSS formula you’re inducing less fatigue.
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RE measuring power, has anyone tired using the Stryd power sensor for mountain running training?
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ParticipantScott’s answer suggests some remedies: start long runs slower (advice I’ve received previously about race pacing), hydrate better, increase run-walk ratios, get stronger, etc. Working an intentional run-walk ratio into my longest runs as practice for doing it in races of increasing distance has been something that’s been on my radar for a while, but I haven’t been able to get over myself because it feels like cheating.
ParticipantI don’t worry about it as long as my breathing is normal for the zone. I just figure it’s been too long since my last full AeT test, and I’m fitter now. Man, I hate those tests. Following to hear what the coaches say!
ParticipantWhy don’t you warm up for 20 min before starting your run on the watch?
ParticipantOwenFW on April 10, 2020 at 11:24 am · in reply to: Outdoor Heart Rate Drift and Training Peaks #40384The AeT test protocol calls for a 10-15 minute warmup before starting the test.
ParticipantHow did you determine your AeT? When you did that test, you not only discovered your AeT heart rate, you also discovered your AeT pace for the incline you were running on. By definition, you should be able to run at or just under that pace and stay under AeT. Otherwise you haven’t really found your AeT. If you’re using an AeT estimate based on something other than an AeT test, like a formula that extrapolates from your anaerobic threshold or max HR, then you have no data about how fast you should be able to run and stay under AeT. A lot of people have to walk fast instead of run when they’re starting out. Two years ago I had to jog slowly and sometimes walk to stay under AeT, especially on any kind of incline. Now I have to run at a pretty good clip to stay above my recovery zone.
ParticipantSprint up stairs?
ParticipantYes, it is too soon.
The numbers on the calendar page are projections based on the planned TSS values in your scheduled workouts. The UA programs don’t have planned TSS values filled in, so the projected Fitness, Fatigue, and Form will all decline as you look forward in the calendar. If you wanted, you could go in and add planned TSS values (https://uphillathlete.com/trainingpeaks-metrics-ctl-tss/). The values on the Home page are your current values. However, all of it is based on the data TP has about your past workouts. Since you’re just starting, you don’t have 42 days of chronic training load (ie Fitness) history, so the numbers are pretty meaningless.
If you look at the settings for the Performance Management Chart on your Dashboard, you can enter an estimated beginning CTL (Fitness). That’s the critical number you’re missing, since the other two are shorter term but dependant on the CTL.
https://help.trainingpeaks.com/hc/en-us/articles/230903988-Estimate-Starting-Fitness-CTL-
https://help.trainingpeaks.com/hc/en-us/articles/226119807-Adjusting-CTL-ATL-Parameters
You are not nearly as fatigued as your numbers make you look because you didn’t actually start with zero fitness. I mean, unless you spent several months before you started the plan lying in bed.
Also, and maybe you already know this, for any of your TSS values to be helpful, you need to have accurate threshold values in your zone settings. The program needs to know the fastest you can run for an hour, the highest heart rate you can maintain for an hour, the fastest you can swim for an hour, and the most power you can generate on a bike for an hour, depending on what activities you’re hoping to track. Heart rate is the big one for this crowd, followed by running pace. All of the TSS calculations depend on those threshold numbers, since they tell TP how close to your max you’ve been exercising at (closer to max=higher Intensity Factor). At the beginning of each new training cycle, and occasionally during them if they’re really long, it’s a good idea to retest your thresholds. And to clarify, these are NOT the aerobic thresholds (AeT) people talk about so much in this forum, they’re anaerobic thresholds (AnT)–they aren’t the paces you can maintain for many hours, they’re the average paces you can only hold for 45-60 min and then you have to slow way down or you’re keel over.
ParticipantOwenFW on February 5, 2020 at 1:37 pm · in reply to: Runner ME Progression (Big Vert Plan) Recovery Time #37532Thanks to all, especially Jared. Good to know I’m taking the right medicine!
ParticipantOwenFW on January 23, 2020 at 9:08 am · in reply to: AeT Test Confusion (I know, another one…) #36765Why do you think that number is too high? What else is going on with your body? How is your breathing? Is it consistent with aerobic metabolism? Are you beginning to sweat at 20 min, which can hurt wrist-based HR monitors and help chest straps? Have you tried using a different monitor?
If anything, your data looks like your AeT may be a little higher since there isn’t much drift at all, but it’s hard to see averages from the graph.
ParticipantOwenFW on January 6, 2020 at 1:55 pm · in reply to: Is Polar H10 useful for 8 week basic mountaineering training plan? #35582Yes.
ParticipantOwenFW on January 6, 2020 at 7:48 am · in reply to: HR Drift Test and Threshold Notification Discrepancy #35512What it sounds like to me is that you have not checked the box “Automatically apply new threshold changes” at the bottom of the Zones settings page, so you are receiving suggestions to make a change but they are not actually being applied. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for the system to move your pace up and down like that over such a short period of time. If you do have that setting checked, maybe get in touch with TP support? They are very responsive.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think threshold HR and threshold pace have any connection in TP. If you maintain a new high average pace for 45 min, you will always receive a threshold change notification/suggestions, and when you maintain a new high average HR for 45 min, you will also receive a change notification, but the two have no affect on each other.
ParticipantMy understanding of the research is that fitness and susceptibility to altitude sickness have no correlation other than that fit people tend to push too hard and fail to follow good acclimatization practices.