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I played with the mobile app this morning to try to force pair a manually created test workout with today’s scheduled workout but no luck yet.
It can definitely be done from the desktop.
As Michal says, it looks like the closer you can match the workout category within your device to the category within TP, then you get the nice green compliance color.
Tammy,
I had a few light bulb moments with rTSS vs hrTSS. Once you get your zones entered correctly BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY your HR threshold (do the AnT test or try AeT plus 25 if you’re not sure) in the settings of TP, you will get accurate TP data.
I did several AeT tests and came up with 140 as my AeT and then added 25 to get 165 as my threshold. That got me to +/- 50 hrTSS per hour on my AeT workouts which I understand the UA coaches look for as a good indicator that your zones are correct.
If your threshold HR is off, you will either get too little TSS (not representative of your fitness, also might tempt you to really hammer yourself to drive CTL) or you will get too much TSS which which show up as more CTL than you have earned and give you an inflated fitness measurement.
If you are logging a run in TP, you must manually change the rTSS to hrTSS.
Also, recall that TSS is relative so my 100 TSS workout might only get you 70 TSS. It’s a good way to compare old you with new you but not a good way to compare different athletes.
This whole discussion is also a good reminder that TSS can be manipulated.
@Nate it’s the rear foot heel. Rocking up on my toes to push off. Gonna take some practice to get used to pushing off with the whole foot. But really glad to have the issue diagnosed AND on the path to resolution with a few strokes of the keyboard.
This is a bit off topic but where/when do step ups with a rest step come into play (if at all)? Are they more ME workouts or do they count as a hike? Are step ups with a rest step a dumb idea?
I’m interested in developing the rest step process more. I remember being about 100 feet from the Rainier summit and thinking “next time less half marathons and more comically slow steep hiking”
@Nate thanks! I will give it a go flat footed and then dissect from there.
Bill,
If you go to TP Settings —> Calendar there is an .ics link that you can add to you calendar and then from there, it should show up (I think anyway) in Outlook/Google etc desktop app even if you don’t have wifi.
You could also screenshot the workouts from the TP phone app for a quick and dirty method.
EDIT – there are PDFs of the TftNA strength and core workouts (not quite the same but they seem similar enough to get the same stimulus) too but I can’t put my hands on them. Not sure if they are part of the MTG package or not.
On the boot question, I did 40 min of step ups in my Scarpa 6000s and determined that my heel is slipping inside the bootie (not much, but enough to make me concerned) and not the bootie slipping inside the shell.
Any recommendations for an insert?
Niv,
You can drag your workout onto the scheduled workout and they should mesh and you get the nice green compliance color. Sometimes, if they are way off from each other, the workout won’t change color.
You can manually create an event (via the little hamburger menu in the top right of the day on the calendar) and log the suggested TSS from the Chamonix workout into the manual workout, or on your watch you can record an event (say Cardio on a garmin watch) and then manually change the TSS.
No TSS for Mobility. Just record an “Other” event and the time. Probably no harm in not recording your mobility workouts as they have no TSS value and so won’t effect your CTL/ATL/TSB
I live and train in the mountains of Mississippi 😉 I did Rainier – DC Route last June with RMI and had a blast.
Mary Beth,
We will be climbing on the same trip! Sour Patch Kids!
So coming off today’s zoom call, I NOW have an EVEN BETTER sense of what my zone and threshold numbers should be. Inputted those better numbers and changed 6 weeks of workouts. Recalculated CTL at 66.
AeT at 140, Threshold at 165. With these numbers in place, the CTL of 66 dovetails nicely with the 50 TSS/hr estimate for an AeT workout so I’m more confident that I’m getting better data.
I’ll be in Anchorage on June 15 with RMI and Dave Hahn. I am *extremely* excited which probably explains why I am hammering this board with so many questions. So so so many questions. I’m almost as excited about the training and learning that goes along with the actual climb.
Boot question – I’ve got Scarpa 6000 with neoprene overboots for the summit, and I need to get the heel snugged up a little bit. I bought some Intuition liners but I liked them less than the stock Scarpa liner (which I think is maybe made by Intuition?).
What about just layering some duck tape on the heel of the inner bootie to fill that space? Is there a better option out there short of custom? Otherwise, they fit almost perfectly.
Thanks Mark. I got it figured out I think. With the new threshold number, my CTL is 78 using HRTSS.
I had set up the zones correctly, but he completely ignored the threshold number. I’m honestly not sure how that number came to be. I guess training peaks auto calculated it.
My previous training peaks experience was cycling and power meter-based. I didn’t even wear a heart rate monitor back then.
So anyhoo, learning stuff!
I just want to put this here in case I forget to ask tomorrow.
Here’s a head-slapping learning alert (maybe) after reading that article.
TP has been calculating my TSS as rTSS rather than hrTSS. I now see that rTSS is based on pace, which we don’t really care about for MTG purposes.
So I went back in the last month or so and swapped rTSS for hrTSS which puts me at a CTL of 107 as of today. I’ve done the AeT test a few times and I believe I have my HR zones inputted correctly.
Should I be switching to hrTSS for all my runs, even though most of them are road runs?
Some of these numbers seem really high. Like a 50K trail race that I ran pretty conservatively having TSS over 1000? Can that be right?
I’m really glad to hear that Mark. I’ve been fretting about the vert situation.
I have a sled that will hold 45# plates that I plan to drag around. I warned the neighbors not to be alarmed if they hear something that sounds like a Balrog taking out the trash at 4:30am.
I think I hear you telling me to hike more. This is exactly why I joined the MTG – I want to get this advice straight from the experts.
I actually have three hills near my house that I hiked last weekend and managed 3300 feet of vert. Of course, it took me almost 4 hours and 20 miles and I ran between the hills (avg HR 138, 247 TSS). Not literally flat but something like it.
I’m ~7 months out from Denali so, based on your comment above, I will probably mix in some bike/row/ski-erg as a supplement to the MTG plan for the next 3 months. Then get in specific mountain climbing mode February-May.
I really appreciate you guys being so responsive. Like I said, this is what I was hoping to get with MTG.
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