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Vincent on August 1, 2023 at 1:16 pm · in reply to: Gym-Based Muscular Endurance Criticism #80142

definitely an open discussion

im approaching this mostly from an alpine climbing perspective (long days on your feet, approaches with gear, etc) and also from a fast hiking/trail running perspective although I would not qualify myself as a trail runner.

It makes total sense that weighted uphill carry would help, but then again, a lot of things have made sense in the sports science unworld untill they were totally debunked/proven wrong.

Walking uphill with a pack does create greater time under tension VS running. In both cases there are decent forces applied to the ground but the time of the contraction is what changes. Reflecting on it, I would think the uphill carry would MAYBE be more beneficial VS the gym based ME. Gym based ME doesnt work strength because the loads are so low, doesnt work endurance because the volume is so low, sort of a middle ground here. Outdoor ME workout really reminds me of tempo efforts but very specific to uphill carry capacity/sports which I keep questioning myself why a good endurance volume + max strength in the gym wouldnt acheive the same thing.

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Vincent on August 1, 2023 at 8:58 am · in reply to: Gym-Based Muscular Endurance Criticism #80128

thanks for your reply
to answer your points

1- outdoor or gym based is the same to me

2- I do not discard the idea entirely. But having followed (and being trained in) exercise science for several years I keep questioning the idea in my personnal reflexion. ME seems like over-specificity applied to tempo training. The fact that there is little to no scientific evidence to back the protocols up is what keeps me reflecting on the concept. As I said, top level endurance athletes need to produce a lot of power (cycling, track cycling, running, rowing) and none of these endurance athlete use specific resisted training method like ankle weights, big gear of the bike, weighted boats… I would not assume everything UA says is golden just because they are UA. I love what they do, love the book, but will take the right to criticise some of their concepts especially given the lack of evidence and the critics put out by other endurance coaches. Appeal to authority is never a strong argument.

3- I have tried it for myself for a while and I cannot say im much stronger uphill doing weighted carries VS running and doing specific intervals.

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Vincent on July 27, 2023 at 7:02 am · in reply to: Gym-Based Muscular Endurance Criticism #79985

I think its a valid criticism and other well known endurance coaches have made the same critic. If you look up elite endurance athletes, none of them do resisted specific ME type thing. The same debate happen long ago in the cycling community with big gear low cadence hill intervals. This was debunked a while ago. I love UA phylisophy but I keep questioning the ME method in my reflexion. ME doesnt train strength and it doesnt train endurance. I wish they’d have actual scientific basis to back up their method other then an obscur soviet dude’s work from over 50 years ago.

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Vincent on May 20, 2022 at 10:58 am · in reply to: Choosing a program to combine with Cham Mtn Fit #67421

thanks guys

I ended up going for the CMF program. Im going to alternate level 1 lite and level 1 with my current base training max strength. After doing level 1 I can already tell it will make a difference for proper knee tracking and rehab

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Vincent on May 17, 2022 at 5:15 am · in reply to: Choosing a program to combine with Cham Mtn Fit #67296

It sure does make sense. I might start with the expedition plan and see how it goes before I add CMF. Still pondering all the options but im fairly convinced one of these plan is the way to go. I’ve done MTI plan in the past and saw good results and im sure an UA plan would be at least as good to build durability.

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Vincent on May 16, 2022 at 11:52 am · in reply to: Choosing a program to combine with Cham Mtn Fit #67253

thanks for your reply

the reason I mentionned hypertrophy is simply because I did a block to get back into the swing of things after Ice season in preparation for maximal strength. Not really looking at getting bigger.

Your comment is pretty insightful! I dont want to push grades as im having fun in the easier stuff and want to acquire experience. You nailed it: I want to be durable to spend long days on my feet and be able to handle long approaches on a few consecutive days. Im already running and doing weighted hill reps but always need to account for that knee, although its been real bad since that long multi pitch.

The climbing will hurt my knee when I need to pull a single leg squat-ish type move.

In your experience would the expedition plan suffice or should I combine both expediton and CMF?

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Vincent on May 16, 2022 at 10:42 am · in reply to: Choosing a program to combine with Cham Mtn Fit #67244

John, thanks for your reply

its interesting and I should go back and listen to that podcast again. I was under the impression the CMF program was more of a rehab/injury prevention/motor control program.

I’ve just finished 8 weeks of transition strength training focussing on hypertrophy altough I was lifting pretty heavy loads. I had my first week of base/max strength last week untill the knee bugger came in.

Thanks for your suggestion, I need to consider that 5 weeks program just not sure the CMF is what im looking for.