[hikerobby]

Very inspired by TFTNA!! Last summer I had a disappointing realization when I needed a rest day after the hike into the Bugaboos (with a 60lb pack) before I’d done any climbing! We did some climbs but missed one of my goals simply out of lack of fitness and exhaustion in that big terrain. I’ve realized that off-the-couch simply won’t do at my age anymore, so I read TFTNA and happily realized the HII/Crossfit idea of shortcuts was failing me. Only issue is, these plans seem to be for people w serious goals and I am wondering which plan would be the best to keep redoing to build then maintain my base fitness?

I just don’t have a big goal I’m prepping for, besides general mountain fitness. I ski and tour in the winter, I climb Hood or other volcanos in the spring. My moderate rock climbs and ridge traverses in the North Cascades, Sierras, or Bugs would be in August and September. I guess I’m asking which plan is best to be a weekend warrior??

Should I get the 24-week, which seems like overkill, and just do the first 8 weeks over and over to maintain fitness. Or should I get the 8-week and repeat that? Or would it be best to do Steve’s 5-week alpinist foundation plan on repeat? Also, is the premium version of TP really worth it or can I get away w the free version?

thanks in advance!

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[brandon.macmullin]

brandon.macmullin on September 9, 2020 at 10:28 pm #44916

I am in the same boat as you and train to trail run/rock climb/mountaineer/ski tour/ice climb locally on the weekends and have been using the ways of Uphill Athlete (awesome custom 8 week plans/phone consultations with coach Seth Keena) to improve my performance.

My biggest learning so far with training is to really know my goal and exactly when I want to be able to perform and focus on one goal at a time. My plan this year is to train to push my climbing grade and do maintenance cardio September to December in order to peak for goal ice climbing objectives in January then switch to training for slogging uphill and do maintenance climbing in order to peak for goal ski mountaineering in May and general mountaineering the summer. The summer is usually too busy with mountaineering trips etc. to follow a plan to improve performance so I focus on maintenance work/enjoying the fruits of my labor.

My main goals are to climb harder ice and be able to handle big vert/mileage for mountaineering days. Turned out that training to push my climbing grade and be an uphill machine is a huge time commitment and very physically demanding work. I gained an appreciation of how much consistent effort it takes to get results and think having a single training focus is best. Knowing when I wanted to be in top notch shape/perform is really key because a fully phased/periodized training cycle is 12 to 16 weeks. Looking back at my first few attempts I was not giving myself enough time to prepare.

Although I have not used the stock plans, I’m sure they follow a periodized approach and each week builds on the previous week as you progress through the different phases so I would go with the plan that fits both the activity you wish to prepare for and time horizon available for training. Repeating shorter plans would be like building a few floors of a building and then tearing it down and starting over instead of building it higher. I would lean towards the longer plans if you can because the sexy specific training that comes at the end is hard stuff and the more time you give yourself to prepare your body the more you will get out of it.

The premium membership for Training Peaks is definitely worth it to be able to make adjustments to your plan because you will likely repeat weeks or need to shuffle workouts. It took a while to figure it all out but all the different reports and the training load scores are really useful for monitoring and planning endurance/aerobic training.

[hikerobby]

hikerobby on September 10, 2020 at 9:37 pm #44949

Yeah it’s hard to choose bc I mountain bike in spring and fall, ski tour in winter, climb volcanos in spring, and then backpack and climb granite in summer. I guess if I had to choose I would choose to peak in august for big granite alpine peaks, but then maintain the rest of the year.

[Shashi]

Shashi on September 15, 2020 at 10:44 am #45075

+1 to Training Peaks Premium Plan.

This is the first year where I am using a structured training plan and I have found Training Peaks very helpful in monitoring different metrics, understanding effort on long days outdoors, etc.

[brandon.macmullin]

brandon.macmullin on September 16, 2020 at 1:17 pm #45111

Since the variety of activities you do on the weekends makes it hard to train in a progressive and consistent way for the endurance side of things, you could just focus on the strength side of things by doing gym based leg strength/muscular endurance and core during the week days. Building leg strength and muscular endurance in a general way would improve your performance to a point. I got good gains using the gym based ME workout detailed in TFUA and on this website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous on September 17, 2020 at 10:40 am #45144

I would choose a plan that fits in with the cycles of your life. The best plan is the one that you’ll stick to, so you want to have minimal conflicts with other obligations. My first thought is that something between 12 and 16 weeks is probably a good choice. You’ll want to have some weeks of R&R each year, so something like 3x 16wk or 4x 12wk with a rest week in between might work.

It’s important to think about training plans as hypothetical. They’re certainly not single-use. You have to abstract the concepts and rhythms and then adjust as your constraints and fitness change. That’s not only with off-the-shelf plans but with custom coaching too. If you think in terms of training principles, you could use one plan forever. Just adjust the components so you keep progressing.

[hikerobby]

hikerobby on September 29, 2020 at 11:31 pm #45560

I ended up buying the 24 week full meal deal. Beginning week three now! I’m happy with the big plan bc I can understand it’s methodology better and repeat certain parts of it as needed. I am already finding it challenging bc I went on a two day road ride last weekend, ended up working out 13 days in a row, then this weekend went mountain biking one day and backpacking two days. It’s kind of confusing, all the different Tss values (some excessively high, others not high enough) but it is helpful to be aware of fatigue and to have a plan that slows me down from ramping up to quickly. I probably have never had a true aerobic base, mostly I’ve done things off the coach and was young enough to have that work. I am excited for the potential benefits of actually having a base. Although I have to say, going that slow is hard, 133 BPM is really challenging to stay below!!